Josh Harrison
Robby Incmikoski: All right, Josh Harrison—two-time All-Star. Tell me about the first time, Josh, that you remember walking into a ballpark, whether it was with your mom and dad, your brothers—whoever it is. What do you remember about the ballpark experience for the first time for you in your life?
Josh Harrison: First time walking into a ballpark?
Robby Incmikoski: Walking into a ballpark. Do you remember about what you saw and where you were?
Josh Harrison: I don’t remember my first time walking into one because one, my uncle played and coached for forty years in the big leagues. I was at the ’88 World Series, I think, or I went to some of the ’88 games. My uncle was with the Dodgers, so I’ve been around baseball.
Robby Incmikoski: John Shelby.
Josh Harrison: John Shelby. So I’ve always been around, I guess, the arena. But from what I remember going to the games from when I was young, whether my uncle got us tickets when they were in town or I went . . . one thing my dad always made sure I didn’t do was talk trash about any players.
Obviously, I remember one specific time, the Braves were playing, Marquis Grissom was in the field. There were some fans were yelling at him, like talking trash. My dad said, “Don’t even think about it.” He said, “Root for your team,” which, I don’t have a team, but you know, we’re there to watch the Reds, so he’s like, “I know you’re rooting for the Reds. You like baseball, but don’t ever talk bad about that person because that person is trying their hardest, and you know that they ain’t trying to mess up, and that could be you one day.” Not really saying that, but my dad was like, “Root for your team, root against the other team, but don’t talk bad about nobody—don’t wish, you know, whatever.” So that always stuck with me.
But when I went, I always went to games thinking that, “That’s where I’m gonna be.” Even, you know, my uncle being a coach for the Dodgers, I got to meet a lot of players—Gary Sheffield, Shawn Green, just to name a few. Adrian Beltre. And these are people I’m meeting and most people are getting autographs. And I’m was like, “Nah, I don’t want an autograph. I’ll shake their hand. I’ll talk to ’em because that’s gonna be me one day.” Not that I was downplaying it; No, I just wanted to see how they operate, you know, very small moment after the game or at the hotel. You know, they met me, but that was enough for me to be like, “Okay.” It was just something that I always knew, like when I walked in there, watching people cheer for their team—it’s exciting—but I never really grew up with a favorite team. I just loved the sport.
Robby Incmikoski: So let me say this. In all the times I had a chance to work with you, which was probably about seven years, I’ve always watched, part of your story, you know I’m a big fan of yours, is you were the underdog, right? Like there was some talk in 2014 whether Josh Harrison was gonna make the team, right? And then you end up becoming an All-Star. Not only that, you made two All-Star teams. So I feel like you always kinda saw your responsibility as a baseball player is to give back to the fans. I’ve seen you sign countless autographs, take countless pictures over the years. What sense of responsibility did you feel when you made it to the major leagues, to give back to the fans and not say no to a kid who asked you to sign something or take a picture? What was your feeling on that part of the aspect of being a baseball player?
Josh Harrison: Man, I’m the youngest of three—I got two older brothers, Vince and Shawn. Being the youngest, I’ve always been observant. I had two older brothers that lived life before me, can kinda see, I don’t want to say their mistakes are whatever, but see what to do, what not to do, and when to do what not to do. That carried me through life.
But people that watch me play, I play with passion. I enjoy what I do. I have fun, and that’s something that some people kinda lose when you get to that level ’cause they look at it as more of a job, which it is. You know, you’re trying to provide for your family. But a lot of us, when we first started playing this game [inaudible], it was fun.
When I meet fans, that’s something I try to put across to ’em is I’m still having fun out here, I’m a human being, I’m just like you. The difference is my job is just in this big stadium on TV, but I eat, breathe, and sleep just like you. I got a family. I got parents. I got a wife. I got kids. You know, nothing separates what I go through and you go through, except the fact that I’m a baseball player.
So if I get a chance to meet a kid where, as I said, I wasn’t the kid that wanted the autograph because I wasn’t starstruck; I was “What can I learn?” I was observant. I can pick up on this where, you know, there’s some kids that I’m not worried about playing ball, I just want an autograph cause I like how he plays or this is my favorite [inaudible]. And for me, that was enough to know not everybody is gonna be me that doesn’t want an autograph. For the ones that do, I don’t mind doing it because it’s gonna be impactful ‘’cause as I said, I got two kids, and even before I had kids, I was always passionate about, you know, I’d rather sign for a kid than for an adult, because I’ve seen a lot of adults climb over kids to get an autograph. I’m like, man, that’s, you know, we teach kids manners, but as adults, you’re not teaching a kid manners right now. You’re just barging over a kid. So that’s kinda where that came from.
Robby Incmikoski: Yep. Now let’s transition to you playing major league baseball. First time, you’re born and raised in Cincinnati. You’re born a Reds fan. Your whole family were Reds fans. University of Cincinnati. I mean, you live and breathe Cincinnati, and you’re one of the great representatives of that city. What was it like the first time you played a big league game in that ballpark, and tell me if you, as much as you can, what do you remember from that day? What was it like going into it, getting tickets for everybody, just, can you take me through the whole . . . ?
Josh Harrison: So I had to learn a lot on the tickets—well, not really learn a lot, had a lot of help, but more so was taking care of my parents, my in-laws. My oldest brother, Vince, was gone coaching; little brother, Shawn, and maybe a few here and there. But it was literally just immediate family.
I can’t really remember the first time that I played in Cincinnati. I can remember my first , couple times there because my first couple times there I was there, I didn’t play. You know, I’m on the bench. Clint Hurdle can even vouch for this. There’s a couple times, you know, my brother and some people that, you know, people I didn’t leave tickets for. I’m from Cincinnati. Pirates in town—they’d walk down to the dugout: “Hey man, put Josh in the game!” I don’t even see it. You know, I’m in the dugout cheering my boys on. At one point, Clint’s like, “Hey man, you got your boys over here; they’re hounding me to get you in.” And I’m like, “Put me in. Like, they’re right. But at the same time, I’m like, “Yeah, this ain’t high school. I gotta cool out.” But at the same time, you know, I get it.
And sure enough, you know, my first two, three years, I’m coming to Cincinnati. All right, J. D., go lead off the ninth inning. Here’s Chapman. Okay, take a strike. What? My first couple games in Cincinnati were pinch-hits against Chapman. You know, at the same time, don’t matter if I played every day or not, I’m gonna get you.
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Josh Harrison: I mean, he got lucky a few times, but those are kinda my first memories of playing there ’cause when I was first in the big leagues, I debuted in ’11 and was up ’12, ’13. As you said, ’14 there was a question if I’m gonna make the team. And you know, I didn’t get my first start till Easter. But up until then, all those times going to Cincinnati, it was always hit or miss if I was gonna play. Like I didn’t really play. 2014 was my real opportunity that I for real got a chance to play like every day.
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Josh Harrison: So, a lot of the times I was there pinch-hitting. Might spot start here, but you know, it was a lot of just waiting my time. But it didn’t change the fact that I enjoyed being at home.
Robby Incmikoski: You know, I want to talk about a special moment. I want to say it was 2015, when you signed a contract extension, a life-changing contract extension, and it happened the day before opening day in Cincinnati.
Josh Harrison: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: You signed a contract extension that I would assume gives give you and your family security for the rest of your lives, right? Financial security. To have that happen in that ballpark, what was that like for you?
Josh Harrison: Oh man, it was surreal. I just don’t remember when we agreed to the terms—it was before opening day. Nobody knew except for us. I think it got announced after opening day because I still had, after opening day, I had to go to Pittsburgh and get my physical, even though I just saw the doctor. So I played opening day knowing I had a contract extension . . .
Robby Incmikoski: A day off. You’re right. It was on the day off.
Josh Harrison: Yeah, so . . .
Robby Incmikoski: And then we did a press conference in Cinnci the next day.
Josh Harrison: So, the off day, I had a six o’clock black car pick me up to drive me in the rain to Pittsburgh to go get my physical with the doctors because there were no straight flights, and came back the same day, got home like three, four, literally went to the doctor for twenty, thirty minutes in Pittsburgh. Came back. Woke up the next day. That’s when we had the press conference.
Robby Incmikoski: Nine hours in the car. Nine hours in the car.
Josh Harrison: In the rain. I slept on the way there. From what I remember, my family got to come to the press conference, which was cool, because typically that’s something that might be done in spring training, at your home stadium. [Inaudible] my home city, and I want to say that they said it was the first press conference for a visiting player since Derek Jeter was named captain for the Yankees.
Josh Harrison: Yes.
Robby Incmikoski: That was another thing. I was like, wow, kinda things that you don’t even think of. Just a blessing for one to be able to experience with my family and not have to be like, “I got a press conference, and my wife’s not here, my parents.” To not have to worry about anybody being uprooted to come, support me and all that, it was pretty cool.
Robby Incmikoski: That was real cool, man. I remember that moment very well. There are a few things that really stand out. I remember when we did that, when the parks did that for you, and we had a chance to do a feature on you and all that kind of stuff when you got it. What was it like for your parents sitting behind the Pirates dugout at Great American Ball Park and watching you play once you became an All-Star and played every day?
Josh Harrison: My mom—if it’s not warm outside, she’s not coming, which I don’t blame her. She calls herself a “fair-weather fan.” Now my dad—he’s gonna be there, rain, sunshine. God willing, my dad was gonna be there, whether he’s cold or not. But my mom, when she’s there, she’s able to enjoy it. My dad, he can enjoy it, but as we’re from Cincinnati, my dad is well-known. He talks about us being known, but it really started with him now. He says he gets notoriety from his sons where it used to be the other way. But at any given moment, I know my dad my dad could be at the game. And there’s fifty different people that have showed up to the game and just see him. You know my dad’s got a presence, he’s got a stance. They know him, like I’m gonna go get Vince. At any given moment, I’m out in the field, I can look and I can see people I grew up with, or their parents, and I’m like, “Oh, so-and-so at the game?” Like, oh man, I know my dad, he’s seen ’em in a while. ’Cause I can hear people calling me when I’m stretching, you know, like people that call me “J-Hay.” I know that’s my nickname, but people literally end up calling me J-Hay, so at any moment, I’m seeing any and everybody, so my dad, he'd be watching the game, but my mom would, she’d be able to, “How’re you call doing?” They know with this woman, my mom’s gonna be there, so they kinda let her be.
Robby Incmikoski: What is it like playing at Great American Ball Park?
Josh Harrison: I loved it
Robby Incmikoski: Just the way the field plays.
Josh Harrison: I got to sleep at home. We call it Great American “Small Park.” It’s a great place to hit. I’ve only got one career multi-homer game, and that was it.
Robby Incmikoski: [Inaudible] that ball park because it’s small.
Josh Harrison: Realistically, it’s the same thing as Coors. Coors is a hitters ballpark. The new Atlanta place is a hitters ballpark. And I said Great American Small Park. People say that just ’cause, I’ll admit it’s a small park, but realistically, you still gotta hit the ball pretty well. But people get in trouble going there ’cause they think it’s so small. They think, “Yeah, I’m just gonna hit a home run,” and I mean, you still gotta play baseball, hit the ball where it’s pitched. Take advantage of days that you can when you might be playing their balls. PNC culd be anough [inaudible]. So we took any moment away from PNC to be . . .
12:47 Any park that we go to in our division, we felt was a little more fair than PNC because PNC has so many nooks, crannies—it’s deep and it’s like, “Man, Great American’s pretty standard.” I’m very observant. Even the infield grass was cut short. You can just feel—same thing with Wrigley. You can feel the difference. Man, the gaps are small, but down the lines are big. Realistically, you hit a ball down the line, you’re like, okay, it’s the ones that you hit in the gap that you, man, that ball was hit. You look at PNC, where 395 is an out because it’s 410 to left center.
Robby Incmikoski: Right. Right.
Josh Harrison: Man, this is a huge park. You hit a same ball that you hit at PNC that got called, and you hit it at Great American. Dang, and it goes out. You’re like, “Thank you, Great American.” Man, that’s the difference in parks. You go on the West Coast. Different weather. Different surfaces. [Inaudible] faster. That’s the beauty of the game. Not one is the exact same. You enjoy going to other stadiums and seeing what they’re like.
Robby Incmikoski: That’s why we’re doing this book—’cause we’re trying to illustrate the differences and character of every ballpark. I got a million questions. I could keep you for two hours, but we only have so much time. Tell me about what it was like. I want to say your first All-Star appearance was in Minnesota. Is that right? You played . . .
Josh Harrison: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: And your second one was in Miami. Is that right? Do I remember that correctly?
Josh Harrison: Yep.
Robby Incmikoski: Tell me what it’s like walking into a clubhouse with the greatest players in the world—and you’re one of them.
Josh Harrison: It’s cool, man. Everything happened so fast. I just remember finding out when I made the All-Star team, it was selection date before it got announced. Clint announced it.
Robby Incmikoski: Tell me about that moment. Where were you and who was there?
Josh Harrison: We were in the locker room. We were finishing in Pittsburgh. And Clint goes, “Hey guys, it’s gonna be announced today, but everything, just letting the teams know who the All-Stars are, and this year, we got three. We know Cutch, but the other two guys are first-timers. Give a big welcome, well-deserved, for Tony Watson and Josh Harrison.” Me and Tony looked at each other like, “What?” That’s the way we found out. Obviously, everybody knew Cutch, like Cutch was balling that year. And when they said three, everybody was like, “Three? Who’s the third?” When they said us two, it was kind of cool. And I remember calling my parents, calling my brother Vince. Because as I said, that year, I didn’t get my first start till Easter, and we had a brawl with Milwaukee that day.
Robby Incmikoski: Martin Maldonado and Travis Snider.
Josh Harrison: I got two hits that day, didn’t start the next day. And I remember talking to my brother Vince, who was coaching in the minor leagues, but that day, he goes, that month, first month of the season, he goes, “Stay ready, because we’re gonna be laughing at this by the end of the year.” He was like, “Stay ready.” And when I called him to tell him I made the All-Star Team, he said, “See, we didn’t even have to wait till the end of the year.” My brother always knew what I was capable of—always knew what I was capable of. Been an All-Star at every level. So for me, it wasn’t a surprise.
People are like, “Ah, man, did it surprise you?” No, I was an All-Star at every level in the minor leagues. What makes you think [inaudible.] Not being cocky, not bragging, but those aren’t flukes to me. Don’t look at the size. Like look at the player. Look at what I’ve done. Look at my body of work. I can play, like [inaudible] you made a “super utility,” and I said, “Cool, but I really don’t like the term, because the utility term was oh guys that can play [inaudible] but can’t hit and don’t have a position.” I said, “I can play a position. I can just plan a lot of positions well, and I can hit.” So don’t look at me as the utility. I’m the dude that can play any of these positions just as well as somebody else. A lot of teams think this is an easy job. They’re finding out that it’s not easy.
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, there’s no question about that. I want to talk to you about PNC Park for a second. What was it like calling that place home as long as you did?
Josh Harrison: Man, that place really took me in. I will say I felt love like no other from the minute I came up. Pittsburgh is a city that they love, you play hard, they love you. And if you play well while you play hard, they really love. But at the same time, I played through injuries, I battled through things, but I think it was my personality that attached me to the fans ’cause they knew I was gonna play hard. They welcomed me, even though I was from Cincinnati. A lot of ’em they tried to turn me into a Steelers fan. I was like I’m not even a Bengals fan—I love sports, so I watch the games. I watch the teams.
But calling that home. It was close enough to Cincinnati. My family got to travel back and forth. We still talk about it to this day. My parents loved the SpringHill across the street, walking over. It was a great experience for my family. Not being far. Walking to the stadium. Me and my wife stayed in the [inaudible]—family area. It was very homey. It felt close enough to home. It was a good place to raise our kids when they were growing up. So walking to the stadium, the place was electric, man, especially those years ’13 through ’15.
Robby Incmikoski: Yep.
Josh Harrison: That energy is unmatched. Granted we didn’t win a World Series, but that ’13 year was crazy, and even ’14 and ’15—those were some special years. PNC was a special place for sure.
Robby Incmikoski: You know, it’s interesting you say that. You’re playing in a steel town. a bunch of people blue-collar, majority blue-collar people, and you’re kind of a blue-collar player, if we’re being honest.
Josh Harrison: Um-hmm.
Robby Incmikoski: One thing in working with you for as long as I did, you, whatever talent you had, whatever talent you were blessed with, you got the most out of it and some. You never got cheated on effort, right? So how much do you think that connection just how, whether it was the rundowns, like an impossible rundown, you’d get out of. It happened like I think two, at least twice, maybe three times. Like crazy. It’s incredible. Jumps flat, jumps back up. It’s stupid. So you played the game hard, and I think fans saw that. They saw how hard you played, how hard you ran. You know what I m mean? You just played the game hard, you know what I mean? Hey, you might go [inaudible] for forward three strikeouts, but you still played hard every day, you know what I’m saying? Like, your effort was never to be questioned ever. How much do you think the fans, in a blue-collar city, were able to relate to a blue-collar player like yourself who became a two-time All-Star?
Josh Harrison: Definitely relate to it ’cause, I mean, I don’t take anything for granted. Everything that I’ve got, I’ve worked for. Nothing was ever handed to me. As I said, it took me three years to really get a chance to start, and that wasn’t from me not producing; that was literally from me literally just waiting for an opportunity. So there was no “woe is me.” At the end of the day, I’ve still got work to do, whether I’m playing or not. My job is to prepare and be ready for that opportunity. And when that opportunity comes, I can’t blame anybody but myself if I’m not prepared. And that’s something that, you know, I even looked at it, me and my dad talked. I don’t ever sit back and think about what I’ve done, but my dad goes, “Just think about your career, man.” He goes, “You played thirteen years.” And ironically, when I signed that contract in ’15, I was injured the next five years—’15 through ’19—spent at least six weeks on the injured list. To even come back from that, multiple injuries, multiple fractures, the surgery, I don’t ever look back at it to be like I, ’cause I was in the moment. I know the process. I know where I want to get back to. There was never a doubt in my mind that I couldn’t get back to it. I guess for other people, there’s always that. But I never once even acknowledged it, ’cause that’s not who I am. I always knew what I was capable of. There was a lot more out there that I could have done, but, you know, everything happens for a reason.
I don’t want to look back at injuries, but I remember my first broken hand. Think I was four homers and one stolen base away from a 20-20 season, and it was like the first week of September. I had just hit like, I think, three home runs in five days. It’s like I was catching [inaudible]. Maybe broke my hand. I’m like sixteen homers [inaudible] bags. We were in a playoff hunt. Like . . .
Robby Incmikoski: That would have been, yeah. [Inaudible] very close.
Josh Harrison: That was my second All-Star Year, ’17.
Robby Incmikoski: That was ’17, ’16.
Josh Harrison: That was my first full healthy season after my contract. It’s ’15. I tore my thumb. ’16 I came back from a [inaudible]. I had the longest at-bat streak in between homers. It was like a year to date. I only hit four. Then I pulled my groin in like September against the Reds. Missed the last month. Came back ’17, fully healthy, and that’s when I got my second All-Star year. Went in September. I mean, I didn’t take an anti-inflammatory, nothing. I mean, everything was my own maintenance. Broke my hand in ’17. Then ’18 came back. Got off to a good start. Jackie Robinson Day, broke my hand. And then pulled my hamstring throughout the course of that year
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Josh Harrison: ’17 was my only really fully healthy year, and I missed the last month. As I said, I look back, and I don’t back and like, “Oh, I missed this. Everything happens for a reason, but I wasn’t gonna settle for less. [Inaudible.]
Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, Hell, yeah. All right, before we let you go, I want to get this Wrigley story in the book because it’s too good. I remember this day.
Josh Harrison: Yeah.
Robby Incmikoski: So, can you just kinda walk me through the day and what’s it like playing outfield on a day game at Wrigley Field? You hit a home . . .
Josh Harrison: So this day I remember I’m supposed to play second base. I think something, maybe something with Marte. I think Marte might have woke up. “Like, man, I’m sick” or something. Marte got scratched. I’m supposed to play second base, so they go, “Okay, we’re gonna put Cutch in center. Polanco’s gonna play right. We’re gonna put Max Moroff in left.” And I go, I’m thinking to myself, I see the lineup, I go “Max has never played a day in left field.” I go, God rest his soul, Kimera Bartee—KB, that’s my guy.
Robby Incmikoski: I love him. I love him.
Josh Harrison: And I go, “KB, I’m about to go tell Skip, “Put me in left field and let Max play second. Max has played second, short, and third.”
Robby Incmikoski: Right.
Josh Harrison: It makes more sense. Put me in outfield and let him play second ’cause it’s day game at Wrigley, and trust me, somebody that never played outfield [inaudible] to do that.”
And I go tell Clint, and I’m like, “Clint,” and he goes, “I appreciate the concern, but you know, we’re gonna do it this way.” And then I think, after realizing, he calls me back. He goes, “yeah, yeah, you go play left field.” So I’m out there playing left field, and that day, me, Cutch, I think Polanco, we all hit home runs—the whole outfield. So you know, we, I think, it was a great game. We ended up tearing them up. Like good game, but you know, I like to talk to fans—home, away. You know, I grew up the youngest of three. My family, you know, we talk trash. If a fan talks trash to me, they better be prepared for something to come back, ’cause I like originality. You know, if you come with something that I’ve heard before, I’ll tell the fan, “Hey, I’m gonna give ’em three innings to come, ’cause I’ve heard Gary Coleman, I’ve heard Kevin Hart. You know, anybody that’s short in the book, I’ve heard. And I go, “You know what? I’ve heard that at twenty-nine other stadiums. If you give me something original, I’ll give you a laugh. But I’m gonna give you three innings to get your beer in, whatever.”
So I’m running back and forth and three innings go by. I go, “Look, you weak! You got nothing.” I said, “There ain’t nobody laughing.” And you know, a guy, “Oh, Harrison. You suck! I’m a Cub. You wish you had one of these rings.” He shows his replica ring, like, “You wish you had one.” I’m like, “Yours ain’t real either.” He’s like, “You wish you were a Cub.” I’m like, “Man, I was drafted by the Cubs, but they didn’t want me at the time or, you know, other plans. At the end of the day, no hard feelings.” Like, you know, I’m talking to the fans. And we win, so at the end of the game, I wave bye to the fans. I’m talking trash. I know the Cubs’ win song, obviously, from—I was drafted by the Cubs, been a Cubs minor leaguer, so you know, the “Go Cubs Go,” “Go Clubs Go.” So at this point, I’m kinda feeling good, ’cause another thing about it, as I’m talking to this guy, there’s a lady up in the stands. After everybody comes down, she stands up and gives me the double bird. Like [inaudible]. And I’m like, “I got y’all mad, didn’t I?” the one thing you don’t want is if I get you mad, I’m gonna run with it. You know, we shake hands. Center field were laughing. We run up, running up the steps, and I make my own rendition of “Go Cubs Go,” but I’m saying, “No Cubs No.” And I’m like screaming it. This is before the renovation, so it’s like there were windscreens. They can’t see us, but like, they can hear us. You know?
Robby Incmikoski: Oh yeah.
Josh Harrison: You can hear cleats going up the steps. You can hear people in the concourse, you know. And I’m singing. I’m “No Cubs No.” I’m “Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna lose today? “No Cubs No.” I’m like screaming it. My teammates are laughing. “Like, man, you’re crazy.” Wrigley has like fifty steps. By the time I get to my locker, my phone, I got tweets from fans, like, “Harrison, you suck. If I ever catch you singing that again . . .” You know, I’m loving it, but I’m like, man, it was just fifteen seconds ago that I was singing that. How did they know it was me? But at the same time, I mean, I guess I was kinda talking trash to the fans. But Club Wrigley day games—I call it Club Wrigley—will forever be another one of my favorites.
Robby Incmikoski: Hey, one last thing—playing outfield at Wrigley, how aware—I mean, obviously you’re aware—what is it like playing outfield defense, a ball goes in the gap where you have a ball toward the warning track just with regard to the ivy. How do you play defense out there, taking the ivy into account?
Josh Harrison: One, you gotta take the wind into account, ’cause if the wind’s blowing out, you ain’t gotta chase too much like in the gaps, ’cause the gaps are short. The gaps are scary because where most places, you’re used to turning and going, like, oh there when you feel the warning track, like you literally need to be careful ’cause that ivy is protect—it’s nothing but brick. I’ve seen dudes go in there and get scraped up reaching for a ball, not realizing like, “Ah, man, a certain part of it got a little chain-link behind it that people didn’t know. And I’m like yeah. So you’ll see a lot of people shape their outfielders today, gap, and kinda have them deep. If you gotta turn, it’s over your head. Pretty much you’re either running to your left or if you’re turning to your right, you know it goes deeper. so they kinda . . . And the wind will play with you too, you know. It’ll definitely play with you, but that’s why I said, “Clint, put me out there. Don’t put a first-timer out there. It’d be a little scary. I’d rather [inaudible]. Let me look like a fool. I’m fine looking like a fool. I’ve looked like a fool before, and I’m not afraid to look like one again if it happens.” Which I was like, “It ain’t gonna happen,” but if it did, oh well.