Boyd Robertson

Robby Incmikoski: Alrighty. All right, Boyd Robertson. So let's start with this. Twenty-eight years. You physically, actually stood a foot or less from Vin Scully for twenty-eight years. Looking back on it now, how do you put that experience into words?

Boyd Robertson: Well, Unique is the first word that comes to mind because as you know, he worked by himself. And all the Dodgers announcers worked by themselves because there was no analyst sitting next to him. So since was, if you will, an empty seat next to to Vin, I got to sit there next to him about a foot away, so . . . and the reason why all that happened long before me was back to Red Barber, who mentored then, and said, “I'm the voice of the Dodgers, the Brooklyn Dodgers at the time, and I'm going to talk directly to the audience . . .”

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: not to announcers, having a conversation and the fans listening on television, radio are listening to their conversation. So that's why it was set up that way, and the O'Malley family and all the way through Vin’s sixty-seven years. That's the way it was set up. So that's why I got to sit next to Vin Scully.

Robby Incmikoski: When you, let me, how much of a baseball fan would you describe yourself just over the years? Did you, like, did you love the game of baseball? Did you have a thing for baseball? Or is that just kind of where life and career . . .

Boyd Robertson: Oh yes, okay, so I'm from a small town in Oklahoma, believe it or not.

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: Population six thousand. And I had my transistor radio. I love the St. Louis Cardinals. I had a Cardinal calendar on my wall next to my bed every year. In 1960, at Old Sportsman's Park, which was eventually renamed Busch Stadium for a little while . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson:  . . . my best friend and his parents took us to see the Dodgers, excuse me to see the Giants and the Cardinals play at Old Sportsman's Park and . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: There was this fantastic player that hit a home, a  line drive home run off the scoreboard in left field, which made it all magical for me, and that guy was Willie Mays.

Robby Incmikoski: Oh.

Boyd Robertson: The Say Hey Kid. So, but still, I was the Cardinal fan. KMOX radio came all the way down into Oklahoma, and that's how I became a baseball fan.

Robby Incmikoski: How about that? And then when did you at first know who Vin was?

Boyd Robertson: On NBC Saturday, NBC Sports Television, Saturday baseball Game of the Week with Joe Garagiola.

Robby Incmikoski: So then when you, okay, can you just give us a little bit of story of how did you get from Oklahoma to LA and up next to Vin?

Boyd Robertson: Well, I played college golf at a small college in southeastern Oklahoma, and my roommate was going to be a caddy for a professional golfer at a PGA Tour event in Fort Worth, Texas, called the Colonial. Invitation. I wanted to do that too, but I got my name in too late, and they told me, “We don't need any more caddies. However, ABC sports is televising the PGA Tour Golf tournament. Would you be interested in being a gopher or runner or both or whatever for that weekend for ABC Sports for fifteen bucks a day?” And I said yes because I can see Nichlaus, Palmer, Player, Trevino all up close and in person and I watched ABC Sports because back in those days, Jim McKay and Chris Shenkel and all those guys were the announcers. I watched it religiously, and that's how I got started. I cut class, and I went down there and worked for the weekend and got to know the production people. That's how I got started in sports television.

Robby Incmikoski: So, when you, now think about this for a second. When you, you said you're floating somewhere around seventy. When you look back on that time now, how thankful are you that you took that job for fifteen bucks a day?

Boyd Robertson: Well, I'm thankful that my golf coach sent in the letter and followed up on it because that made my career. So I worked for ABC Sports for quite a few years. I left my, I worked at the post office after I got out of college for a little while, and I told my parents, because I was working college football and bowling, anything in my area in Oklahoma, I would go work for them on the weekends, and yeah, fifteen bucks a day is not gonna pay the bills. However, but I was getting the experience because my little college did not have radio and TV and media and film back in those days. So, I had a business degree. So that's how I got started in sports television. I worked for them from Monday Night Football. I did a lot of PGA Tour golf, did not get to do the Olympics. I did pre-Olympic events, downhill skiing, just all kinds of different things. A rock climbing with George Willie, back in 1977 or ’78 at Devils Tower, Wyoming, all kinds of different events. So I became a stage manager back then. US Open Golf, British Open Golf, so forth and so on. Well, then they told me in ’79, they being the powers that be back then, that we don't see you as a producer/director at ABC Sports. You can keep working in this capacity, but you're not going to move up. They just didn't pick on me. They told a lot of people that, that we don't see you moving up. So I started looking around for work, and Terry Jastrow, who worked for ABC Sports back in those days was taking acting lessons with a guy who was a director of TV commercials in Burbank, California. I went and interviewed for that job as a producer of TV commercials, and I got the job. So I moved to Burbank, California, and I've been in California since 1979 as a resident, but I still dabbled in sports television production when ABC would come out to the Coliseum or Dodger Stadium, or places like that, just to work part time because I still had the connections. So in the mid-80s, ’84, excuse me, ’82, there was a subscription television sports station called ON TV. They had the Lakers and the LA Kings hockey. I got in with them.

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: And then the cable business started hitting with Prime ticket back in 1985, and I started the day they opened. So I got to work with Chick Hearn, and I became Chick Hearn’s stage manager on Laker telecast, home telecast, and Chick is the one, eventually Chick is the one in 1989, when I went to him and my Laker producer and said, “I have an opportunity to now go work with the Dodgers as Vin Scully’s stage manager,” and Chick was all in, and said, “You have to work with him. You have to go do that. It's a great experience for you. He's a wonderful announcer, so we’ll, you'll train somebody to be your backup when you have to leave to go do Dodger games.” So that's why and how I accepted working with Vin Scully because Vin didn't know me. He just knew me through the producer/director that he worked with on Dodger baseball at the time. I had worked with them on hockey and Lakers and so on.

Robby Incmikoski: Really.

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: So . . .

Boyd Robertson: So, so I got to sit next to Chick for almost twenty years. And then, as you know, I got to sit next to Vin for twenty-eight years, and so that's how it started. Because the first day was, remember in ’88, they won the World Series. I came in as the new guy on the production team, the rookie, if you will, and I met him opening day in Cincinnati, in 1989, down on the field with my little coat and tie on and my media guide. You know what that's all about.

Robby Incmikoski: Of course.

Boyd Robertson: And I, and I extended my hand because we were about to do an interview, a pregame interview for  the pregame show. Again, something you know about.

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.

Boyd Robertson: So I extended my hand. I said, “Hi, Mr. Scully. My name is . . .” And he said, “Look, if we're going to work together, it's Vin.” So what, what did I hear in my head? I heard the word if. If we're going to work together. So I felt like, okay, I'm on probation here, and if I'm not very good, I won't be around working with Vin. So that's how it started, and he put me at ease, and he knew I would make mistakes, things like that, and especially till I got really used to working with him, and so it kind of worked out for twenty-eight years for me.

Robby Incmikoski: Boyd Robertson, so let me get this straight, make sure my facts are straight. You went, so the person who referred you to Vin Scully was Chick.

Boyd Robertson: Yeah. Well, it . . .

Robby Incmikoski: The producer/director. But you went from working with Vin.

Boyd Robertson: That's exactly right. And I balanced both because, because when I. we’d get off the road, we didn't do a lot of home games at Dodger Stadium, we didn't televise lot of home games at Dodger Stadium,  back in those days because O'Malley was protecting the live gate. So back in those days, there wasn't a lot of home games. So therefore, I could go back and work with Chick on Lakers because, you know how popular the Lakers have been . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Of course.

Boyd Robertson: . . . during those times, and Chick would even say it. “Boyd Robertson Robertson, back from the Dodger Road trip, blah blah blah, is by my side, yada yada yada.” So that would just come out the blue because Chick was always thinking about everything because he was so involved in the telecast, and he was a Dodger fan as well. He would watch the Dodger games.

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: And respected Vin, even though they had different schedules. They didn't cross each other's paths very often, but they did. So yeah, Chick was very encouraging. I always tell that story. Jerry Romano, our producer, Laker producer back then, became our Dodger producer when Prime tickets started televising Dodger games back in the ’90s, even though we still had an over-the-air package.

Robby Incmikoski: [? dn]

Boyd Robertson: I was fortunate enough to do over-the-air games along with the cable games back in the ’90s. So that was like a 150 Dodger games a year, and so that helped me with my wife and my young kids growing the family and supplying income and so forth. Yes, I was gone a lot again.

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: Something you knew about a lot with . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Of course.

Boyd Robertson: I think my biggest road trip was seventeen days. I’ll see you next month.

Robby Incmikoski: Dude, that's hilarious. So then when you, let me, there's so many questions I have for this, and . . .

Boyd Robertson: Sure.

Robby Incmikoski: So amazing. But let me, first of all, I want to talk about the 2016 season where, where Vin agreed that anyone who wanted to get a picture essentially was going to get a picture. And they had the lighting set, they had the . . .

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: They had, like they had all the lighting, the camera guy would take the picture. I have it sitting on my, I have a ladder frame over there with a picture of me and Vin. And actually, you'll appreciate this: my iPad.

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: So that's the picture.

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: So that’s the picture, right? So Kyle, just give you a heads-up. So they would have, they would have, so the booth, the lighting was set for still photos, and they had a camera in the booth. So anybody who wanted to come in and get a picture with Vin could do it, right? So . . 

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: And Vin was more than gracious that final year. He knew what it was like, and it was just going to be traffic all day long leading till the first pitch. I'm sure his most calm moment of the day is when the first pitch was thrown, because nobody was in there trying to talk . . .

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: And you obviously knew Vin very, very well. Like why did Vin do that? Why did he make himself available to so many people that year who wanted one last conversation, one last photo, one last memory with him?

Boyd Robertson: You just said, because he wanted them to have some time with him in a way of saying goodbye, whether it was in the hallway or that picture, and yes, I helped line all that up.

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: Robin Shell is the one that took those pictures and . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.

Boyd Robertson: Rob is still on the Fox telecast to this day, operating cameras. So he was at Dodger Stadium last night for the Dodger Padre game.

Robby Incmikoski: Padre game, okay.

Boyd Robertson: And he'll go all the way through the World Series, but he's the one with his camera that took all those pictures from crews to announcers to owners that came in. Players, umpires, celebrities, you name it. They all came in, especially in 2016. That was a huge load of work to do because he would also have his meet-and-greets that ran through Steve Brenner and the Dodgers. So we would, we would juggle those as well before the game started. We made it work until about the mid-September. Vin finally said to me, “I don't have time to take any more pictures with our crew,” but most of them had taken pictures with him throughout the year, because I encouraged it. “Hey, guys and girls, ladies, let's take our pictures as early as possible because we wait till September and you might get shut out” just because of the onslaught of anybody and everybody, that was coming into the booth at that time. But we made it, we made it work.

Robby Incmikoski: That's amazing. Now, let me ask you this. This is kind of an open, kind of platform kind of question, Boyd Robertson. His demeanor day-to-day, how would you describe,  what was it like being with him every day?

Boyd Robertson: Consistent. You couldn't tell if he was sick or anything like that, and he was rarely sick. He was always on time. He was always prepared. He would ask us about things that I could go Google. For especially the last fifteen years . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: He would bring in his . . . because he's old school, as you know, he would bring in his, first of all, he would bring in his laptop, then he would bring in his iPad that he had worked with he would, but he still relied on newspapers, magazines that he subscribed to because there might be an article about a visiting player or a home player that he would cut it out and he would bring it in, and he would highlight some of the things from those articles that when the player would come up or maybe they're on the mound that he would talk about it. He would integrate it with the pace of baseball. As you know, you can do that . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Oh yes.

Boyd Robertson:  . . . with your play-by-play. So that's how he was, so consistent, so on time. Always professional. But when he would walk in the booth, he would always ask us how we were doing, name, our kids, how our families were doing, those kinds of things all the time, and not, he wouldn't stay at all after the game, because the day had already been pretty long for him. For a 7:10 game, he would get there, three-thirty, quarter to four, something like that.

Robby Incmikoski: Right. Right.

Boyd Robertson: And start to work, and starting to work would also be okay, what team is from out of town, who's here, and the announcers, like you and other announcers, they would come in . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Of course.

Boyd Robertson:   . . . so they could talk to him. How are you doing? And also ask about the Dodgers, individuals, teams as a whole, and then in turn, he would ask you guys, your announcers, about how’s So-and-so been. He's going to pitch tomorrow. Did he?

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: Why did he have to come out of the game in the third inning last week, blah blah blah, and they would tell him things like that. And he would give that information to them. Skip Caray would come in, and the first thing that Skip Caray would tell Vin is, “Have you heard this joke?” He would always tell him a joke to break the ice, and then they would talk about their teams.

Robby Incmikoski: So, this is like my dream come true here. Talk about spending twenty years with Vin Scully. When you, what was, I was always amazed when I met Vin, when I had a chance to talk to him, when I had a chance, I never missed a chance to go in and shake his hand and say hello, reintroduce myself every time because I knew everybody did, I know he's not gonna remember everybody's name, but what I ask is this: Do any memorable reactions come to mind from people? Like, I remember Gerrit Cole taking a picture with Vin in the booth that because Gerrit and I were talking about it. I remember like players Clint Hurdle just from the Pirates. I couldn’t imagine what the rest of baseball was like, but are there any memorable reactions from people meeting Vin that like stick out in your mind? Whether it's somebody either famous or like a longtime announcer or like people like me, I don't get starstruck by anybody. When I met Vince, I was starstruck, Boyd Robertson. There's no way around it, and . . .

Boyd Robertson: Sure.

Robby Incmikoski: I don't get starstruck.

Boyd Robertson: Well, most people are. When there would be times with the meet-and-greets, I would go out to the front of the Vin Scully press box, and I would meet that person out there. And so I would tell that person or the group, “Now, remember, you don't have to call him Mr. Scully. He likes to be called Vin.”

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Robby Incmikoski: Because that would put people at ease and . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: This lady looked at me with her eyes like that, saying, “My grandfather just told me if I was going to meet him, I have to call him Mr. Scully.” I said “No, he'll correct you and say, “I'm Vin,” and Vin would always do that. “Call me Vin.” She did. She called him Mr. Scully, but she said, “My grandfather asked me to do that, wanted me to do that, and he says, “Oh, I’m Vin. You can call me Vin.” Again, to put people at ease. He would try to remember everybody's names that would come into the booth because he wanted to say their names before they left the booth, and he would ask little kids that came in with their parents what their name is, and “Oh, you have a baseball glove? What position do you play? Oh, you're a shortstop. Oh, you're a left field.” Whatever it might be, he would interact with them. Before they would leave the booth, he would say their first names because he knew that would be the only time that they could in, would come in, to do a meet-and-greet and to visit with Vin. So he wanted to make it special for people like that. So that's not anybody famous or important or whatever, but it was important to him, and that's what I noticed. Yes, Big Papi came in. Yes, Bryan Cranston came in. Yes, Ray Charles came into the booth at one time years ago. That's all impressive to me. The composer John Williams came into the booth. Now, there's a guy that knows a little bit about music. However, those two guys, Vin and John Williams, were members at the same country club. They played golf together, so they were old pals.

Robby Incmikoski: Wow.

Boyd Robertson: But that was impressive to me to get to see those people growing up. Again, I'm from a little small town in southeastern Oklahoma. I really was not supposed to be here for this. All this, the chain link of me getting to the point of what you're talking about and I'm talking about, the odds are against that. That was not supposed to happen. It did happen, and I'm glad it happened, and I'm thankful that all that happened so I could see another part of the world. It's really what I'm talking about, and . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.

Boyd Robertson: And I got to do something that very few people get to do in my little world that I enjoyed for all these years.

Robby Incmikoski: There's no stage manager in television that has done, has these stories. You’re one of one. I have one other thing. This is amazing. What I want to, and again, part of why we're doing this book, Boyd Robertson, is to talk about things that fans wouldn't know, right? I mentioned this with Ben Maller, the radio guy who I had on to talk about Dodger Stadium. Vin always ate dinner. Like, has since been redone.

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: But Vin used to sit with Tommy Lasorda and whoever else. Vin had like his own little, kind of small, room where he ate dinner, and the rest of us in the media sat right outside that room. So Vin had to walk by us to go in that room.

Boyd Robertson: Yes.

Robby Incmikoski: [inaudible] get fans, like, you know, just people, they're gonna be people that love Vin Scully that are not going to know this story. So I want you to shed a little light on this. Like, he had to kinda sorta be shielded like from eating dinner with regular media members, which is unheard of. Like, that's unheard of because he would never have a chance to eat every . . . It's not because he was being an elitist or he wanted special treatment.

Boyd Robertson: No. Right.

Robby Incmikoski: That was not Vin. That's not who he was, but he would never get a chance to eat if he sat and ate with us.

Boyd Robertson: That's exactly right. That's why they had that room back there for him. And if his wife showed up, she could be back there and to eat. Jaime Harin, the other Dodger announcers over the years, would sit back there because if he ate where you and I ate, he would never get to eat, never get to chew his food, as basically, you just said, so he had about forty-five minutes, and they're from time to time, I would be in the booth, and the umpires would show up or somebody would show up, and they might show up a little earlier, or just at any time. So I would go into that room, and I didn't like to interrupt him at all during that time because that was precious time of “I'm away from everything, and I'm trying to eat. And how's your day going?” with whoever he's sitting with, but I would tell him, “The umpires just called,” or “The umpires came up. They would like to see you” or whatever the case may be. And he would say, “Tell ’em, I'll be out there in about five minutes” or ten minutes or whatever it was. And he would always do it. He might eat a little quicker or something like that, but that was his time to eat and then come back out and back to the meet-and-greets or back to preproduction and be prepared and so forth. So we always recorded “It's time for Dodger baseball.” That was his TV open. We always recorded that before he went to eat. Then he could come back to the booth, do his meet-and-greets, do his final prep, and then the game started.

Robby Incmikoski: Wow. Kyle, what do you have for Boyd Robertson? I know you gotta have something, as big a baseball fan as you are.

Kyle Fager: Has he got a favorite anecdote from your time working with Vin?

Boyd Robertson: Well, my first impression of him really sticks out. I always talk about, and I explained it to you guys, what it meant to me to be able to have an opportunity to work with him. “If we're going to work together, it's Vin.” That stuck with me forever, and I took that as a positive. At the time, I thought, “Um, wow, this is a bigger job than I thought.” And to add to that, when I made my first blunder, my first mistake, we were in Cincinnati. It was probably the same weekend. I gave him some kind of information. I don't know if it was a score or a billboard or something. Gosh, I don't know what it was. It doesn't make any difference. But I made the mistake, so I told the TV truck through my headset. And there was this second out or something like that. I said, “I gave Vin some information that was incorrect. I need to tell him during the commercial break.” And they said. “Okay.” So the third out is made, Vin throws it to commercial, and I look at Vin, and I'm doing this. In other words, “Take your headset off.” So he takes his headset off, and he says, “What's up?” I said, “You know that information that I gave you during that half inning, whatever it was, blah blah blah? That's incorrect. I made that mistake.” He paused. He paused again, and he looked up at me, and he said, “Welcome to the club.” Now that had a big sigh of relief, feeling that “Okay, he knows I'm gonna make a mistake. He makes mistakes. The players make mistakes. But I wouldn't make too many if I were you,” meaning, I was talking to myself then, but that really put me at ease as well, and so you're trying to support him, and you're trying not to make mistakes. So he could have gone off on me because I didn't know him. He could have gone off on me or “That's it. You're out of here. Get somebody else. Hey, TV truck! What's wrong with you guys down here? We got a stage manager that said . . .” He’s not like that, was not like that at all. So I'm grateful for that, that again, I could . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Amazing.

Boyd Robertson: . . . spend that much time with him. He couldn't have been better to me over all the years. We would talk in the off-season whenever we could. I know a lot of people called him and so forth. I’m sorry we lost him. I went to his services. My wife and I went, and as he says, nothing lasts forever.

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.

Boyd Robertson: And it is true, but we got to be there with him his last day. We had two goodbyes. The last goodbye was in San Francisco when he said goodbye to announcing, but he also said goodbye to Dodger Stadium as an announcer before we went on the road to San Diego and San Francisco. So I had two tough days of goodbyes, and that was at Dodger Stadium first, and then in San Francisco when . . . He always had this scorebook that is on display at Dodger Stadium. It was a leather-bound scorebook with his name on it, and he probably had that thing forty years.

Robby Incmikoski: This. [Yes? dn]

Boyd Robertson: And San Francisco, when he worked his last game. Here he is. The game’s over. I believe the Dodgers lost, and he's writing in the totals for the last time, and I'm standing there one foot away from him watching this. And that was to me, “Okay, this is it,” and he closed the book. And I was starting at that, looking at that, trying to hold it together. Because he had basically said goodbye there. His wife was there watching him. She was ill. Not feeling well at all, but she was there. And I hugged him goodbye.

Robby Incmikoski: And that was it. Wow.

Boyd Robertson: I couldn’t say anything.

Robby Incmikoski: Really?

Boyd Robertson: Yeah.

Robby Incmikoski: Was he? How? I don't know if he can talk, and when I ask this, just know you don't have [? dn] this question.

Boyd Robertson: Yeah.

Robby Incmikoski: Like, physically, how was he at the end?

Boyd Robertson: He was very good because he was approaching, I think, eighty-nine then.

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: I believe that's correct.

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: Because his birthday is in late November. He was in good spirits, good shape. It’s his wife was not. And so he knew it was time to retire, and he had had some physical problems over the years.

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: I'll tell you a funny story. Let me back up just a little bit.

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.

Boyd Robertson: There's a book out. You know who Tom Popart, [Sounds like Popart. dn], the writer is? [Online, says book by Tom Hoffarth (Editor), Ron Rapoport (Foreword) dn]

Robby Incmikoski: No.

Boyd Robertson: He's in an LA sports writer.

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: He put out a book, a tribute book to Vin Scully.

Robby Incmikoski: All right.

Boyd Robertson: And it’s, it’s out now. It’s been out since May or June, and it's called Perfect Eloquence. You can get it in Amazon and things like that.

Robby Incmikoski: I'm looking it up right now as you talk. Okay, I see it.”

Boyd Robertson: So he asked a whole bunch of people to comment on their perspecting on being around or meeting Vin Scully and telling stories about him. I would encourage you both to look at that. I was privileged enough [not sure enough was the word he used. dn] to be in that book and contribute five or . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Of course.

Boyd Robertson: . . . six hundred words to it.

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: And my angle was how he treated people in the booth when they would come in. Exactly what I told you guys.

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah.

Boyd Robertson: Because that tells you what kind of a class person he is. Even before cell phones, he would go into the radio booth where there were landlines, and he would go talk to somebody who he knew or didn't know who was terminally ill, and he would talk to them and check on them because they were Dodger fans or friends of the family or something like that. He even agreed to do some Make-A-Wish situations there . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Okay.

Boyd Robertson: . . . . on the road and at home and in Vero Beach. When we had spring training there, he did some Make-A-Wish wishes there in those little TV booths at Holman Stadium in Vero Beach. So there was a lot to him. I got to play golf with him a couple of times. 

Robby Incmikoski: Right.

Boyd Robertson: He used to play golf with Bob Prince, the Gunner . . .

Robby Incmikoski: Of course.

Boyd Robertson:  . . . when he would bring his clubs to Pittsburgh. Or I think Bob Prince was a left-handed golfer, maybe?

Robby Incmikoski: I don't know.

Boyd Robertson: Yeah, I'd have to ask some as some of the guys that, but when Bob Prince would come out to LA, they would play golf together. So Ben would, back in the early days before me, Vin would play golf on the road. Because, you know, there's a lot of night games, so that would get him out and he would go play with the announcers in that town.

Robby Incmikoski: Amazing.

Boyd Robertson: Because there's wonderful golf courses in Pittsburgh. I have been able to play some of them.

Robby Incmikoski: Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Amazing. Amazing. This is incredible. I could spend another two hours doing this.